{"id":24507,"date":"2025-10-09T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-10-09T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=24507"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:28:47","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:28:47","slug":"matthew-sitman-ideology-and-mercy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/10\/09\/matthew-sitman-ideology-and-mercy\/","title":{"rendered":"Matthew Sitman: Ideology and Mercy"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=149081254&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_95_Matthew_Sitman.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_95_Matthew_Sitman.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=24507-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_95_Matthew_Sitman.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_95_Matthew_Sitman.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 95 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong> In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with author and podcast host Matthew Sitman. They explore conversion to Catholicism, the breadth and universality of the Catholic Church, humility and openness, cancel culture, Pope Francis, mercy, ideology, relationships, being a gay Catholic, ritual and wordless gestures, and much more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/MJB_Episode_95_Matthew_Sitman.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/http:\/\/http:\/\/MJB_Episode_95_Matthew_Sitman.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>A <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1Wy4LGzIxvgntggMGTYH3fOCKREmicKbq\/edit?usp=sharing&amp;ouid=112061134932254474497&amp;rtpof=true&amp;sd=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">transcript<\/a> of the sho<\/strong><\/em><strong><em>w is available.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;We give ourselves excuses to dismiss people, to not see them, not see the reality of their lives. And that&#8217;s just something I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re permitted as Christians.&#8221;<\/p>\n<cite>-Matthew Sitman<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1140\" height=\"1604\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-portrait.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24510\" style=\"width:556px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-portrait.png 1140w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-portrait-213x300.png 213w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-portrait-728x1024.png 728w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-portrait-107x150.png 107w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-portrait-768x1081.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-portrait-1092x1536.png 1092w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1140px) 100vw, 1140px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Matthew Sitman<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>You can find more of Matthew Sitman <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/MatthewSitman\">@matthewsitman<\/a> on X\/Twitter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Matthew Sitman is a writer in New York City and the co-host of the podcast Know Your Enemy, a guide to the right by two leftists. 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He was received into the Catholic Church as an adult\u2014this fall he&#8217;ll have been Catholic for a decade.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Listen to Matt and his Know Your Enemy co-host Sam Adler Bell talk about Pope Francis <a href=\"https:\/\/know-your-enemy-1682b684.simplecast.com\/episodes\/the-meaning-of-pope-francis-wBF8Gl2D\">here<\/a>.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS<\/strong>&nbsp;is hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BE SOCIAL:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Facebook:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/messyjesusbiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@messyjesusbiz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S<strong>UPPORT US:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Episode 95 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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