{"id":24431,"date":"2025-09-25T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-09-25T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=24431"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:28:53","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:28:53","slug":"cole-arthur-riley-embodiment-and-memory","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/09\/25\/cole-arthur-riley-embodiment-and-memory\/","title":{"rendered":"Cole Arthur Riley: embodiment and memory"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=148745372&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_94_Cole_Arthur_Riley.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_94_Cole_Arthur_Riley.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=24431-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_94_Cole_Arthur_Riley.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_94_Cole_Arthur_Riley.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 94 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with author and poet Cole Arthur Riley. They explore embodiment, resisting meritocracy, story, collective memory, letter writing, resistance, the tension between practice and belief, interiority, and much more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/MJB_Episode_94_Cole_Arthur_Riley.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/http:\/\/http:\/\/MJB_Episode_94_Cole_Arthur_Riley.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>A <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1lLd_b8ZROyg_61gdxI5qI_yTcsU44kZl\/edit?usp=sharing&amp;ouid=112061134932254474497&amp;rtpof=true&amp;sd=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">transcript<\/a> of the sho<\/strong><\/em><strong><em>w is available.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;I think we can ask ourselves, who benefits from us being disembodied in this country? Government leaders, the ultra wealthy who need us to work more and more and more for less and less wages. And I think you can ask a similar question about memory. Who in this country benefits from our forgetting? There are systems that have everything to gain from our disembodiment, just as there are systems that have everything to gain from this willful amnesia.&#8221;<\/p>\n<cite>-Cole Arthur Riley<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1594\" height=\"1592\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24442\" style=\"width:556px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley.png 1594w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley-768x767.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley-1536x1534.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1594px) 100vw, 1594px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Cole Arthur Riley\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>You can find more of Cole Arthur Riley on Instagram <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/blackliturgies\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@blackliturgies<\/a>, on Facebook @<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/blackliturgist\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">blackliturgist<\/a>, and at her website, <a href=\"http:\/\/colearthurriley.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">colearthurriley.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cole Arthur Riley is a writer and poet. She is the author of the NYT bestsellers, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/this-here-flesh-spirituality-liberation-and-the-stories-that-make-us-cole-arthur-riley\/1de4b788b5cc03c5?ean=9780593239797&amp;next=t\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">This Here Flesh: Spirituality, Liberation, and the Stories that Make Us<\/a><\/em> and <em><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/black-liturgies-prayers-poems-and-meditations-for-staying-human-cole-arthur-riley\/20aae44d9540501b?ean=9780593593646&amp;next=t\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Black Liturgies: Prayers, Poems, and Meditations for Staying Human<\/a><\/em>. Her writing has been featured in The Atlantic, Guernica, and The Washington Post. 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