{"id":23707,"date":"2025-04-10T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-04-10T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=23707"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:26:53","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:26:53","slug":"michael-poffenberger-contemplation-and-transformation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/04\/10\/michael-poffenberger-contemplation-and-transformation\/","title":{"rendered":"Michael Poffenberger: Contemplation and Transformation"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=144420370&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_91_Michael_Poffenberger.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_91_Michael_Poffenberger.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=23707-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_91_Michael_Poffenberger.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_91_Michael_Poffenberger.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 91 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Michael Poffenberger about activism, contemplation, interiority, right relationships and the true self, vulnerability and control, transformation, wholeness, and much more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_91_Michael_Poffenberger.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/MJB_Episode_91_Michael_Poffenberger.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>A <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/19XwlQaH8_qkAP06MOztv3AOLkxLE0O3u\/edit?usp=sharing&amp;ouid=112061134932254474497&amp;rtpof=true&amp;sd=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">transcript<\/a> of the sho<\/strong><\/em><strong><em>w is available.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;Transformation happens not because of our force of will to change ourselves. It happens because of our capacity to witness ourselves with honesty in prayer and then be healed by God.&#8221;<\/p>\n<cite>-Michael Poffenberger<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1168\" height=\"1560\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-portrait.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-23711\" style=\"width:634px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-portrait.png 1168w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-portrait-225x300.png 225w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-portrait-767x1024.png 767w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-portrait-112x150.png 112w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-portrait-768x1026.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-portrait-1150x1536.png 1150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1168px) 100vw, 1168px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Michael Poffenberger<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Michael Poffenberger holds the tension of the and. As the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC)\u2019s executive director since 2014, Michael sees CAC as uniquely positioned to support inner work for those seeking to build a more just and humane world. A graduate of Notre Dame, Michael served previously as the executive director of Resolve, where he worked alongside religious and civil society leaders to build peace and aid war-affected communities in Central and East Africa, and co-founded the Crisis Tracker. He believes that transforming consciousness can solve many of today\u2019s challenges, and seeking that truth in his own life led him to the work of CAC. Michael lives this mission beyond CAC as the board chair for Invisible Children, in supporting movements for peace and collective liberation, and as a dad to his daughter Madeleine. In his contemplative practice, he asks himself, \u201cWhat can the world look like when love is awakened?\u201d That\u2019s the vision he holds for all touched by CAC\u2014 that love is both who we are and where we are going.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS<\/strong>&nbsp;is hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BE SOCIAL:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Facebook:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/messyjesusbiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@messyjesusbiz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S<strong>UPPORT US:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Episode 91 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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