{"id":23534,"date":"2025-03-20T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-03-20T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=23534"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:27:07","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:27:07","slug":"good-fences-make-good-neighbors","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/03\/20\/good-fences-make-good-neighbors\/","title":{"rendered":"Good Fences Make Good Neighbors?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I recently read the famous line from Robert Frost&#8217;s poem: \u201cgood fences make good neighbors.\u201d\u00a0 I remember my Dad quoting it to me, making a point about the importance of privacy and boundaries for healthy relationships. I always imagined the fences to be waist-high and white-picket, kind of like in the movie <a href=\"https:\/\/m.imdb.com\/title\/tt0086425\/mediaviewer\/rm1755237888\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Terms of Endearment<\/em>,<\/a> which would keep Shirley MacClaine safe from her dubious neighbor, Jack Nicholson.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXdayCuIcPNTIVIAH5q7zyKFZ1YLiZDweQj6UYbk8UU-iC_5-7GWByCzVl4HsmXSd3LezzObu_TnUaYaPYYWYs2Ug-Qtk5LaS2JDsgZQg22B2PZDPyWvcg4qN9HTJckF-8D7FMFTQw?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or the fence that Tim Allen\u2019s character would talk over when he\u2019d be getting advice from his neighbor Wilson in <em>Home Improvement<\/em>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXc25_A2Tapwqh6NhxIJ61qQDH20qntzRG5xpt4HgoStk2xnO_sm_JmKVrtTJoyjZRJ7-HXuFUSIh9ZZfDW210I-COma2FM0mt9_6D-hi_ZXS5bKtBAxKTmd1ZrygXUBSndgu4Mr?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Photo: Everett Collection<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m a little embarrassed to admit that I didn\u2019t know the name of the poem whose last line is so often quoted. It&#8217;s called<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong><em>Mending Wall.&nbsp;<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When I read the title the first time, I was shocked. Triggered, really. You see, since I live and work at the U.S.-Mexico border in Nogales, Arizona, the word <em>wall<\/em> has a complex, multi-layered meaning for me.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And, quite frankly, \u201cmending\u201d is not a word I would use to describe it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When I was at the Customs and Border Patrol central office in Nogales I became aware that officers there used the word \u201cfence\u201d when referring to what I call \u201cThe Wall.\u201d This structure doesn\u2019t&nbsp; look like a \u201cfence\u201d to me:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXcE-l-SnaXpT61uBQ9b8QeI9ORNH1kKshCqY5Mj_ugT8K4rNLKNcq4LyeBpnlp7oeHXhR-xx3nZ_Cy--ysg8yLjctAVXHVXQvYB_BOBfKY7dLxARWcREg1jkAjhlfp9BpEXvSfOVA?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Image: CBP<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXcfW-AGWvfVZHUsDqsU9Koay5bzZeSRSOmuczvGOy9W5D0gNr24JV2nF_5sHdblx0csmDFky1VtVmQDdi3EzDkH9-bX8pSTqbx0DXHyIK9u0r1jMoDxRUJpv7CRqbkeFAaDnV3SSA?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Image: Slate Magazine<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXeY7oGkej93KmZu8O3xpIz3l_rrBVE0b-pG9FiqadU4vZlQ8MJs1knAA-4TYKGEJ30wwIyEDmU4lS4DlKzo64RfLttDueikBDiArHacmSSKOcy0eNfyLp19wk18ujQvB8QKHBOYWw?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Image by the author<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXeeBWuOrp_SEWoWgXgJHyUkhsa2hyP2xQ_2IuiqECVkuIVBEwRsFZ734u0IOlEAnCVl0beOhasFhUxraMt3pAOXubsEpfmQzXB4O6_fcM5fLqWrsaedR3w5Ha883BvdyAo0Rd3W?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Image by the author<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXc-vxCA8MM1GQwL0_4_1OzdZG-T_1vSDshfW0WLQuDOFjsao-NfbuqUalfmFzoHN70S5gAZp6ZAqTZikHtYGlwtBn5_F_aaFb77hPUWRYzmZK0zvY4hzI5EAYlf7ua9oZwi8JTEHw?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Image by the author<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I read the poem over and over again, and the line that makes the most sense to me is\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>Something there is that doesn\u2019t love a wall.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXcfJ2QUR6KA5iQ62yMGt5X3mzUiCEvl4CDQ3mWiqnhZ_TZEcf2pJ7o7C5vVWRDuXyoLASdFMURLZRsfUYnz59e9vhSVmJtpY8jcfO6Fd9W3JQrWuxrSpSFxcJnOEUznsc2nxg4E?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Artist: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/luis.sotero.7106\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jose Luis Sotero<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Something there is that doesn\u2019t love a wall,<\/em><br><em>That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,<\/em><br><em>And spills the upper boulders in the sun;<\/em><br><em>And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.<\/em><br><em>The work of hunters is another thing:<\/em><br><em>I have come after them and made repair<\/em><br><em>Where they have left not one stone on a stone,<\/em><br><em>But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,<\/em><br><em>To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,<\/em><br><em>No one has seen them made or heard them made,<\/em><br><em>But at spring mending-time we find them there.<\/em><br><em>I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;<\/em><br><em>And on a day we meet to walk the line<\/em><br><em>And set the wall between us once again.<\/em><br><em>We keep the wall between us as we go.<\/em><br><em>To each the boulders that have fallen to each.<\/em><br><em>And some are loaves and some so nearly balls<\/em><br><em>We have to use a spell to make them balance:<\/em><br><em>\u2018Stay where you are until our backs are turned!\u2019<\/em><br><em>We wear our fingers rough with handling them.<\/em><br><em>Oh, just another kind of out-door game,<\/em><br><em>One on a side. It comes to little more:<\/em><br><em>There where it is we do not need the wall:<\/em><br><em>He is all pine and I am apple orchard.<\/em><br><em>My apple trees will never get across<\/em><br><em>And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.<\/em><br><em>He only says, \u2018Good fences make good neighbors.\u2019<\/em><br><em>Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder<\/em><br><em>If I could put a notion in his head:<\/em><br><em>\u2018Why do they make good neighbors? Isn\u2019t it<\/em><br><em>Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.<\/em><br><em>Before I built a wall I\u2019d ask to know<\/em><br><em>What I was walling in or walling out,<\/em><br><em>And to whom I was like to give offense.<\/em><br><em>Something there is that doesn&#8217;t love a wall,<\/em><br><em>That wants it down.\u2019 I could say \u2018Elves\u2019 to him,<\/em><br><em>But it\u2019s not elves exactly, and I\u2019d rather<\/em><br><em>He said it for himself. I see him there<\/em><br><em>Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top<\/em><br><em>In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.<\/em><br><em>He moves in darkness as it seems to me,<\/em><br><em>Not of woods only and the shade of trees.<\/em><br><em>He will not go behind his father\u2019s saying,<\/em><br><em>And he likes having thought of it so well<\/em><br><em>He says again, \u2018Good fences make good neighbors.\u2019<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><\/em><em> <\/em><em><\/em><em>Robert Frost<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-vimeo wp-block-embed-vimeo\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Wild Versus Wall (2010 Revision)\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/9561480?dnt=1&amp;app_id=122963\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; fullscreen; picture-in-picture; clipboard-write; encrypted-media\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh7-rt.googleusercontent.com\/docsz\/AD_4nXdvmxdY6rh9sG7qhsuubU3hacHYlaG1lM9Ryh8bWRg29T8w8xIoip_rIfHDwl6xVX3XOBTAoeAVmm5FWQwEpKPtSYZNr57FKKRo5byeWQxfglhYxyt1L3JE_MY8fG-YkXe6VQk-?key=CrSeMpckj6gDUmKw0T5yJPZ4\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE AUTHOR<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<style>.kb-row-layout-id23534_e0e842-8b > .kt-row-column-wrap{align-content:start;}:where(.kb-row-layout-id23534_e0e842-8b > .kt-row-column-wrap) > .wp-block-kadence-column{justify-content:start;}.kb-row-layout-id23534_e0e842-8b > .kt-row-column-wrap{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);row-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);padding-top:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);padding-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr) minmax(0, 2fr);}.kb-row-layout-id23534_e0e842-8b > .kt-row-layout-overlay{opacity:0.30;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kb-row-layout-id23534_e0e842-8b > .kt-row-column-wrap{grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr) minmax(0, 2fr);}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kb-row-layout-id23534_e0e842-8b > .kt-row-column-wrap{grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr);}}<\/style><div class=\"kb-row-layout-wrap kb-row-layout-id23534_e0e842-8b alignnone wp-block-kadence-rowlayout\"><div class=\"kt-row-column-wrap kt-has-2-columns kt-row-layout-right-golden kt-tab-layout-inherit kt-mobile-layout-row kt-row-valign-top\">\n<style>.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-sm, 1rem);}.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;}.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col > .aligncenter{width:100%;}.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95{position:relative;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column23534_146eb4-95 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column23534_146eb4-95\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Screenshot-2024-07-02-at-12.11.56?PM.png\" alt=\"Sr. Eileen McKenzie\" class=\"wp-image-22284\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-sm, 1rem);}.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;}.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col > .aligncenter{width:100%;}.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7{position:relative;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column23534_b72841-a7 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column23534_b72841-a7\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<p> Franciscan Sister of Perpetual Adoration (FSPA) Eileen McKenzie has ministered as a nurse, clinical researcher, acupuncturist and, from 2018 to 2022, president for the FSPA community. She currently serves the social justice mission of her congregation as a member of their Anti-Racism and Truth and Healing Teams, working to dismantle white privilege, colonialism and responding to the congregation\u2019s history of administering a Native American Boarding School in Odanah, Wisconsin. At this time in her life she is accompanied by people in migration through the Kino Border Initiative, a bi-national, inclusive Roman Catholic organization whose vision is migration with dignity. She can be reached by email at <a href=\"mailto:emckenzie@kinoborderinitiative.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">emckenzie@kinoborderinitiative.org<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"I recently read the famous line from Robert Frost&#8217;s poem: \u201cgood fences make good neighbors.\u201d\u00a0 I remember my Dad quoting it to me, making a point about the importance of privacy and boundaries for healthy relationships. 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