{"id":23347,"date":"2025-02-13T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-02-13T18:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=23347"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:27:20","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:27:20","slug":"dr-ann-garrido-conversation-and-conflict","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/02\/13\/dr-ann-garrido-conversation-and-conflict\/","title":{"rendered":"Dr. Ann Garrido: Conversation and Conflict"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=142079105&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_87_Dr_Ann_Garrido.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_87_Dr_Ann_Garrido.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=23347-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_87_Dr_Ann_Garrido.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_87_Dr_Ann_Garrido.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 87 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Dr. Ann Garrido about having difficult conversations, discerning truth, and trust.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_87_Dr_Ann_Garrido.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/MJB_Episode_87_Dr_Ann_Garrido.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>A transcript of the show can be found <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1rxvpuKVNncgeuO3-eOQs-eTbRqZg0QO_\/edit?usp=sharing&amp;ouid=112061134932254474497&amp;rtpof=true&amp;sd=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">here<\/a>.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>I think what is essential for bridging difference is that both persons have a deep, deep commitment to truth, to trying to pursue what&#8217;s true. So if both people in the conversation, regardless of how different they are, are entering into the conversation trying to figure out what&#8217;s true and willing to renegotiate what they hold at any particular point in time if they figure out what&#8217;s more true, I think the conversation always has the potential of going places.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<cite>-Dr. Ann Garrido<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1662\" height=\"1576\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Dr-Ann-Garrido.png\" alt=\"Dr. Ann Garrido\" class=\"wp-image-23351\" style=\"width:656px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Dr-Ann-Garrido.png 1662w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Dr-Ann-Garrido-300x284.png 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Dr-Ann-Garrido-1024x971.png 1024w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Dr-Ann-Garrido-150x142.png 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Dr-Ann-Garrido-768x728.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Dr-Ann-Garrido-1536x1457.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1662px) 100vw, 1662px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Dr. Ann Garrido<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ann Garrido is associate professor of homiletics at Aquinas Institute of Theology in St. Louis, Missouri, where she previously directed the school\u2019s Doctorate of Ministry in Preaching program. She is the author of multiple books, including the award-winning Redeeming Administration, Redeeming Conflict, and Let\u2019s Talk About Truth. Her newest book is <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/redeeming-power-exercising-the-gift-as-god-intended-ann-m-garrido\/20836980?ean=9781646802722&amp;next=t&amp;next=t\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Redeeming Power<\/a>. She travels nationally and internationally helping communities talk about the topics they find toughest to talk about\u2014conversations that always involve questions of truth. 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