{"id":23308,"date":"2025-01-30T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-01-30T18:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=23308"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:27:25","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:27:25","slug":"fr-james-martin-sj-returns-pilgrimage-and-parable","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/01\/30\/fr-james-martin-sj-returns-pilgrimage-and-parable\/","title":{"rendered":"Fr. James Martin, SJ Returns: Pilgrimage and Parable"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=141576605&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Ep_86_Fr_James_Martin.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Ep_86_Fr_James_Martin.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=23308-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Ep_86_Fr_James_Martin.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Ep_86_Fr_James_Martin.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 86 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the return of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Fr. James Martin, SJ about his vocation, the raising of Lazarus, pilgrimages and Jesus&#8217; parables, and Fr. 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James Martin, SJ<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"600\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/AUTHOR_PHOTO_Father_James_Martin_credit_Nutopia-James-Martin-sq-600x600-1.jpeg\" alt=\"Fr. 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James Martin, SJ<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Father James Martin, SJ, is a Jesuit priest, editor at large of\u00a0<em>America<\/em>, consulter to the Vatican\u2019s Dicastery for Communication and author of many books, including the New York Times bestseller<em>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.barnesandnoble.com\/w\/jesus-james-martin\/1115554801\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jesus: A Pilgrimage<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.barnesandnoble.com\/w\/the-jesuit-guide-to-james-martin\/1102006665\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>The Jesuit Guide to Almost Everything<\/em><\/a>. He is the founder of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/outreach.faith\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Outreach<\/a>, a Catholic news and opinion site for LGBTQ Catholics. 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