{"id":22813,"date":"2024-11-07T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-11-07T18:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=22813"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:27:59","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:27:59","slug":"lydia-wylie-kellermann-embodiment-and-environment","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2024\/11\/07\/lydia-wylie-kellermann-embodiment-and-environment\/","title":{"rendered":"Lydia Wylie-Kellermann: Embodiment and Environment"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=138256735&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_83_Lydia_Wylie_Kellerman.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_83_Lydia_Wylie_Kellerman.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=22813-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_83_Lydia_Wylie_Kellerman.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_83_Lydia_Wylie_Kellerman.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 83 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/MJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;I think so many of us are holding anxiety and grief and despair in our bodies all the time. And we&#8217;re not letting it out&#8230;.We don&#8217;t have spaces for rituals around grief.&#8221;<\/p>\n<cite>-Lydia Wylie-Kellermann<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IN THIS EPISODE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Lydia Wylie-Kellermann, editor, activist, mother, and author of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/this-sweet-earth-walking-with-our-children-in-the-age-of-climate-collapse-lydia-wylie-kellermann\/21000731?ean=9781506495125\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">This Sweet Earth: Walking with our Children in the Age of Climate Collapse<\/a><\/em>. They discuss Lydia&#8217;s early influence from The Catholic Worker, and what it&#8217;s like to live an embodied life of faith. &#8220;We don&#8217;t know what life&#8217;s going to be like for future generations,&#8221; Lydia says, &#8220;but what is it that we want them to have in their bones to be able to summon when they need it?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The two also discuss the two pulls of creation and resistance, resisting perfectionism in the messiness of discipleship, and the wildness of Scripture. Lydia suggests, &#8220;Think about discipleship being committed to not political boundaries, but who are the people who are fed by the same water.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Name Drops:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jesus<br>Laura Alary<br>Dietrich Bonhoeffer<br>Vincent Harding<br><a href=\"https:\/\/vimeo.com\/17960381\">The Two Loops theory of change<\/a><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Topics Discussed:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Catholic Worker<br>justice and faith<br>storytelling<br>embodied faith<br>creation and resistance<br>raising children<br>technology<br>community<br>resisting perfectionism<br>watershed discipleship<br>being creatures<br>colonialism<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Books Mentioned:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>the Bible<br><em><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/this-sweet-earth-walking-with-our-children-in-the-age-of-climate-collapse-lydia-wylie-kellermann\/21000731?ean=9781506495125\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">This Sweet Earth: Walking with our Children in the Age of Climate Collapse<br><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2206\" height=\"1472\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22820\" style=\"width:656px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait.png 2206w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait-1024x683.png 1024w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait-150x100.png 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait-768x512.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait-1536x1025.png 1536w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-Wylie-Kellermann-portrait-2048x1367.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2206px) 100vw, 2206px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Lydia Wylie-Kellermann<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lydia Wylie-Kellermann?is a writer, editor, activist, and mother. She is the director of <a href=\"https:\/\/kirkridge.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Kirkridge Retreat and Study Center<\/a> and author of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/this-sweet-earth-walking-with-our-children-in-the-age-of-climate-collapse-lydia-wylie-kellermann\/21000731?ean=9781506495125\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">This Sweet Earth: Walking with our Children in the Age of Climate Collapse<\/a><\/em>. She is the editor of?<em><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/the-sandbox-revolution-raising-kids-for-a-just-world-lydia-wylie-kellermann\/14912714?ean=9781506466446\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Sandbox Revolution: Raising Kids for a Just World<\/a><\/em>. Lydia\u2019s writing has appeared in?Sojourners, Geez Magazine, and various Catholic Worker papers. She lives with her partner and two boys in Bangor, Pennsylvania.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-WK-book-cover-1024x1024.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22821\" style=\"width:567px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-WK-book-cover-1024x1024.png 1024w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-WK-book-cover-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-WK-book-cover-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-WK-book-cover-768x769.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Lydia-WK-book-cover.png 1460w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS<\/strong>&nbsp;is hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BE SOCIAL:<\/strong><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Facebook:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/messyjesusbiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@messyjesusbiz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S<strong>UPPORT US:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Episode 83 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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