{"id":22646,"date":"2024-10-10T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-10-10T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=22646"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:28:12","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:28:12","slug":"elizabeth-garlow-money-and-community","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2024\/10\/10\/elizabeth-garlow-money-and-community\/","title":{"rendered":"Elizabeth Garlow: Money and Community"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=137303842&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=22646-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><strong>Episode 81 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Podcast:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/MJB_Episode_81_Elizabeth_Garlow.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8220;A culture of encounter is something we have to be very intent on practicing, and so I&#8217;m excited about an economics that creates many of those opportunities for encounter.&#8221;<\/p>\n<cite>-Elizabeth Garlow<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>IN THIS EPISODE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Elizabeth Garlow, economist and cofounder of the Francesco Collaborative, which invites individuals to critique economic structures and invest using their whole spiritual selves. Elizabeth discusses her early Capuchin influences and her interest in Focolare. &#8220;I had a sort of hunger to have a different kind of conversation about who we are as human beings,&#8221; she says, &#8220;how we meet our needs, what kind of systems can we create?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sister Julia and Elizabeth talk about the damage that can be done by our current economic structures. &#8220;Our economic structures are intertwined with problems of disconnection and loneliness,&#8221; Elizabeth says. Elizabeth also discusses the challenging ways we can move forward to help create a more just world. &#8220;Money in many ways is energy, &#8221; she says. &#8220;It&#8217;s flow. It is not something that we are slaves to as the Gospel&#8230;teaches us.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Name Drops:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Natalie Foster<br>Pope Francis<br>Mia Birdsong<br>Fr. Richard Ward<br>Marjorie Kelly<br>Fr. Lebray<br>Morgan Simon<br>Nich Romeo<br>Zacchaeus<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Topics Discussed:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Franciscan spirituality<br>Capuchin community<br>Focolare Movement<br>Economy of Communion<br>Economy of Francesco<br>how we spend and invest<br>ethic of enoughness<br>financial discipleship<br>INE Institute<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Books Mentioned:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/encyclicals\/documents\/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Laudato Si<\/em><br><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vatican.va\/content\/francesco\/en\/apost_exhortations\/documents\/20231004-laudate-deum.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Laudate Deum<\/em><br><\/a>The Bible<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.focolaremedia.com\/magazine\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Living City Magazine<br><\/a><em><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/how-we-show-up-reclaiming-family-friendship-and-community-mia-birdsong\/7605542?ean=9781580058070\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">How We Show Up<br><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/real-impact-the-new-economics-of-social-change-morgan-simon\/625258?ean=9781568589800\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Real Impact<br><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/wealth-supremacy-how-the-extractive-economy-and-the-biased-rules-of-capitalism-drive-today-s-crises-marjorie-kelly\/19486250?ean=9781523004775\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wealth Supremacy<br><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/the-alternative-how-to-build-a-just-economy-nick-romeo\/20036694?ean=9781541701595\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Alternative<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Elizabeth-Garlow-portrait.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22657\" style=\"width:372px;height:auto\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Elizabeth Garlow<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Elizabeth Garlow is drawn to the spiritual dimensions of our shared work to build a new economy. She co-founded the <a href=\"https:\/\/francescocollaborative.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Francesco Collaborative<\/a>, which was in part inspired by the kinds of spaces she longed to be a part of as an investor: one that invites us to show up as our spiritually rooted selves, with deep vulnerability, care for one another and a commitment to critique the structural problems of our economy and dream about our role in its transformation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Through her work, she supports protagonists of transformation drawing on lineages of faith, spirituality, and wisdom to ask questions like: \u201cwhat is enough?\u201d and \u201cwhat does a practice of finance and investing fit for the needs of our time look like\u201d? These questions are in part drawn from her formation in the Focolare Movement&#8217;s Economy of Communion initiative, where enterprises seek to embody a relational economy paradigm. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Elizabeth previously co-led impact investing for the Lumina Foundation, served as a policy advisor with the Obama Administration, and co-founded a Detroit- based organization, Michigan Corps, to invest in local entrepreneurs through crowdfunding and innovative forms of patient capital. She studied political economy at Kalamazoo College, completed her graduate work in public policy and economics at Princeton University, and was awarded an honorary doctorate by the Dominican School of Philosophy and Theology in 2019. Elizabeth lives in Michigan, where she is enjoying getting reacquainted with Michigan\u2019s Great Lakes and apprenticing with urban farmers in Detroit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS<\/strong>&nbsp;is hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>BE SOCIAL:<\/strong><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Facebook:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/messyjesusbiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@messyjesusbiz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Instagram:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">S<strong>UPPORT US:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Episode 81 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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