{"id":22512,"date":"2024-09-12T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-09-12T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=22512"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:28:21","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:28:21","slug":"rev-benjamin-j-dueholm-creation-and-community","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2024\/09\/12\/rev-benjamin-j-dueholm-creation-and-community\/","title":{"rendered":"Rev. Benjamin J. Dueholm: Creation and Community"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=136083467&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_79_Benjamin_Dueholm.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_79_Benjamin_Dueholm.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=22512-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_79_Benjamin_Dueholm.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_79_Benjamin_Dueholm.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 79 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_79_Benjamin_Dueholm.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_79_Benjamin_Dueholm.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;Discipleship&#8230;ought to begin with the idea of being in that relationship of sort of Christ-like care and ministry for other people regardless of what they deserve.&#8221;<\/p>\n<cite>-Rev. Benjamin J. Dueholm<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IN THIS EPISODE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the latest episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh FSPA chats with Rev. Benjamin Dueholm. Rev. Benjamin tells Sr. Julia of his encounter with St. Augustine&#8217;s <em>Confessions<\/em> at an experimental college in California, and how it, among other things, led him to becoming a Lutheran pastor. They discuss the paradox of the universal and the personal, and how technology has changed the way we live in community. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rev. Benjamin compares church ministry to a Sunday dinner, and speaks about mission drift of the Gospel in some churches. &#8220;My task as a preacher,&#8221; he says, &#8220;and to some extent as a writer, is to make Christ contemporary&#8230;but the truth is, it&#8217;s a scary thought to think that OK, God is talking to me right now.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"956\" height=\"1452\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/benjamin-dueholm-headshot.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-22518\" style=\"width:372px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/benjamin-dueholm-headshot.png 956w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/benjamin-dueholm-headshot-198x300.png 198w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/benjamin-dueholm-headshot-674x1024.png 674w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/benjamin-dueholm-headshot-99x150.png 99w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/benjamin-dueholm-headshot-768x1166.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 956px) 100vw, 956px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Rev. Benjamiin Dueholm<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Rev. Benjamin J. Dueholm has served as the pastor of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.clcdallas.org\/\">Christ Lutheran Church<\/a> (ELCA) in Dallas, Texas since 2019, after previously serving churches in and around Chicago. His writing on religion, politics, and culture has appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Christian Century, and the Dallas Morning News and has presented at the Cambridge University &#8220;Religious Diversity and Secular University&#8221; workshop and the Valparaiso University Institute of Liturgical Studies. Passionate about supporting the formation of leaders for the church, he has taught worship and preaching at the University of Chicago Divinity School and serves on the committee guiding candidates for ordained ministry in north Texas. He is the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/p\/books\/sacred-signposts-words-water-and-other-acts-of-resistance-benjamin-j-dueholm\/12606658?ean=9780802874177\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Sacred Signposts: Words, Water, and Other Acts of Resistance<\/em> <\/a>(Eerdmans, 2018). He lives in Texas with his wife Kerry and their three children. 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