{"id":21767,"date":"2024-02-22T14:08:44","date_gmt":"2024-02-22T20:08:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=21767"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:14:18","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:14:18","slug":"molly-burhans-mapping-power-and-justice","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2024\/02\/22\/molly-burhans-mapping-power-and-justice\/","title":{"rendered":"Molly Burhans: Mapping power and justice"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=131110866&amp;media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_72_Molly_Burhans_2_FINAL.mp3#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_72_Molly_Burhans_2_FINAL.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=21767-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_72_Molly_Burhans_2_FINAL.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_72_Molly_Burhans_2_FINAL.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><strong>Episode 72 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_72_Molly_Burhans_2_FINAL.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_72_Molly_Burhans_2_FINAL.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1440\" height=\"1440\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/with-maps.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-21771\" style=\"aspect-ratio:0.8403361344537815;object-fit:cover;width:425px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/with-maps.jpg 1440w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/with-maps-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/with-maps-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/with-maps-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/with-maps-1024x1024.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1440px) 100vw, 1440px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cWe have to understand the environment and appreciate it, both aesthetically and scientifically &#8211;as well as historically. And so it means taking all of the modalities of exploration and understanding that God has given us and bringing those together.\u201d -Molly Burhans<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IN THIS EPISODE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast is the second of two featuring Sister Julia Walsh\u2019s conversation with Catholic cartographer Molly Burhans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, Burhans and Sister Julia explore the mess of restorative land practices and using data for good. Burhans shares how her team was the first to make a global projection map of Catholic Church jurisdictions since 1801. Sister Julia asks Burhans to comment on what stewardship means to her and what Catholics are meant to be doing in movement spaces related to land justice. They also discuss the complexities of Catholic identity and devotion in a messy Church whose structural sins have caused injustice and abuse. Regarding persisting in faith, Burhans encourages, &#8220;we have to be brave.&nbsp; And if we are the kingdom of God, we can build it. And I&#8217;ll map it, if you need any help.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Molly Burhans is an award-winning Catholic environmentalist, cartographer and social entrepreneur. She is the founder of <a href=\"https:\/\/good-lands.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">GoodLands<\/a>, an organization whose mission is to mobilize the Catholic Church to use its landholdings for environmental and humanitarian good. Burhans was the chief cartographer for the first unified global map of the Church, which premiered at the Vatican in 2016. She was named one of Encyclopedia Britannica&#8217;s 2022 \u201c20 Under 40,\u201d is a winner of the Sierra Club\u2019s EarthCare Award, a U.N. Young Champion of the Earth, a National Geographic Emerging Explorer and an Ashoka Fellow. Molly is a visiting professor at Canisius College and adjunct professor of urban design at Columbia University Graduate School of Architecture, Planning and Preservation. In 2021 The New Yorker published a profile of her entitled <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2021\/02\/08\/how-a-young-activist-is-helping-pope-francis-battle-climate-change\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">How a Young Activist Is Helping Pope Francis Battle Climate Change<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Molly wanted to give a special shout out to David Cheney, who runs the website <a href=\"http:\/\/catholic-hierarchy.com\">catholic-hierarchy.com<\/a>. David&#8217;s volunteer work keeping track of diocese and bishop information is crucial to the land work that Molly is doing with the church.)<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS<\/strong>&nbsp;is hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BE SOCIAL:<\/strong><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Facebook:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/messyjesusbiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@messyjesusbiz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S<strong>UPPORT US:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Episode 72 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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