{"id":21190,"date":"2023-10-12T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-10-12T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=21190"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:15:47","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:15:47","slug":"father-carl-gales","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2023\/10\/12\/father-carl-gales\/","title":{"rendered":"Father Carl Gales: The Depth and Richness of Blackness"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_66_Fr_Carl_Gales.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2023%2F10%2F12%2Ffather-carl-gales%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_66_Fr_Carl_Gales.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=21190-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_66_Fr_Carl_Gales.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_66_Fr_Carl_Gales.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Episode 66 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_66_Fr_Carl_Gales.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_66_Fr_Carl_Gales.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/messy-jesus-business\">Stitcher<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"683\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8290-Carl-Gales-683x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-21196\" style=\"object-fit:cover;width:400px;height:476px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8290-Carl-Gales-683x1024.jpg 683w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8290-Carl-Gales-100x150.jpg 100w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8290-Carl-Gales-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8290-Carl-Gales-768x1152.jpg 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/IMG_8290-Carl-Gales.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 683px) 100vw, 683px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IN THIS EPISODE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh talks with Father Carl Gales, pastor of Our Lady of Africa Catholic Parish in Chicago, Illinois. 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