{"id":19488,"date":"2023-03-23T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-03-23T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=19488"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:17:41","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:17:41","slug":"ralph-mccloud-uplifting-the-poor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2023\/03\/23\/ralph-mccloud-uplifting-the-poor\/","title":{"rendered":"Ralph McCloud: Uplifting the Poor"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_60_Ralph_McCloud.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2023%2F03%2F23%2Fralph-mccloud-uplifting-the-poor%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p 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Because a person is in poverty or struggling\u2026 that doesn&#8217;t make them any less human.\u201d &#8211; Ralph McCloud<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IN THIS EPISODE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh chats with Ralph McCloud, Director of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. They dig into some of the fundamental concepts of the Campaign&#8217;s work, especially what it means to have a preferential option for the poor, and the difference between fairness and justice. Ralph talks about the limits of charity and how fear and racism can prevent engaging with the poor, even if, as he says, &#8220;Working with low income communities is&#8230; very rarely neat.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Julia asks Ralph about how he deals with criticism thrown at him, and how he sees the messy balance between living the Gospel and being a part of a divided Church and society. As Ralph adds, &#8220;If we prioritize our way of life, our comfort, our income, our ideology, all of these above the call that says love one another, all of these above worshiping and following Jesus, &#8230; that can throw you into a society that is as polarized as the one we find ourselves in right now.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ralph McCloud is the Director of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (or CCHD), the domestic anti-poverty program of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. CCHD works to break the cycle of poverty by helping low-income people participate in decisions that affect their lives, families and communities and by educating people on poverty and justice. Ralph has served as the national director for fifteen years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Prior to working at the USCCB, Ralph worked as Division Director of Pastoral and Community Services in the Diocese of Fort Worth, Texas. While in this position, Ralph served four terms on the Fort Worth City Council from 1997 \u2013 2005 and 3 terms as Mayor Pro Tempore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He currently serves on the board of the Catholic Mobilizing Network. Ralph is a member of St. Teresa of Avila Parish in Washington DC where he serves on the Finance Council and is a lector.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He has served as President of the National Association of Black Catholic Administrators and as a board member of both the National Black Catholic Congress and the Roundtable Association of Social Action Directors. Also, he chaired the County Homeless Commission and was named Tarrant County\u2019s First Racial Reconciliation Award Winner by the Tarrant County Community of Churches. He is also the recipient of the State of Texas Courage Award from the Texas Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty. In 2009, he was awarded the History Maker Award from the Archdiocese of Atlanta in 2009 and Catholic Charities USA\u2019s Martin Luther King Keep the Dream Alive Award in 2010. In 2017, Ralph was awarded the Bishop John Joseph Keane Medallion from the Institute for Policy Research &amp; Catholic Studies at The Catholic University of America and the Harry A. Fagan Award by the Roundtable for dedication and commitment to social justice in 2018.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The main site for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, where you can find out more about its mission and projects: <a href=\"http:\/\/povertyusa.org\/\">povertyusa.org\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>More information about the CCHD: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.usccb.org\/committees\/catholic-campaign-human-development\/who-we-are\">https:\/\/www.usccb.org\/committees\/catholic-campaign-human-development\/who-we-are<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ralph&#8217;s writing on Lent: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.usccb.org\/committees\/catholic-campaign-human-development\/lenten-reflections-director-cchd\">https:\/\/www.usccb.org\/committees\/catholic-campaign-human-development\/lenten-reflections-director-cchd<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS<\/strong>&nbsp;is hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BE SOCIAL:<\/strong><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Facebook:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/messyjesusbiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@messyjesusbiz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S<strong>UPPORT US:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>LISTEN HERE:<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Episode 60 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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