{"id":19339,"date":"2023-02-23T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-02-23T18:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=19339"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:17:58","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:17:58","slug":"robert-ellsberg-saints-and-stories","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2023\/02\/23\/robert-ellsberg-saints-and-stories\/","title":{"rendered":"Robert Ellsberg: Saints and Stories"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_58_Robert_Ellsberg-001.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2023%2F02%2F23%2Frobert-ellsberg-saints-and-stories%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_58_Robert_Ellsberg-001.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=19339-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_58_Robert_Ellsberg-001.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"MJB_Episode_58_Robert_Ellsberg-001.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Episode 58 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podcast:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_58_Robert_Ellsberg-001.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Play in new window<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/MJB_Episode_58_Robert_Ellsberg-001.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Subscribe:\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/messy-jesus-business\">Stitcher<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/messyjesusbusiness.com\/feed\/podcast\/\">Email<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\">RSS<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"855\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-855x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-19343\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-855x1024.jpg 855w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-125x150.jpg 125w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-250x300.jpg 250w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-768x920.jpg 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-1200x1437.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-380x455.jpg 380w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-800x958.jpg 800w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_-1160x1389.jpg 1160w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/IMG_5849-2-rellsberg@maryknoll.org_.jpg 1229w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 855px) 100vw, 855px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;We\u2019re shaped \u2026 and affected by what we love, what we care about, what we pay attention to, what we admire.\u201d &#8211; Robert Ellsberg<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IN THIS EPISODE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Our faith is rooted not in maxims, but in a narrative,&#8221; shares publisher and editor-in-chief of Orbis Books, Robert Ellsberg, in his conversation with Sister Julia in Episode 58 of the Messy Jesus Business Podcast. Other topics explored in the discussion include the meaning of holiness, the communion of saints and the mess of being a Christian disciple.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Robert\u2019s own narrative has been a movement to peace and a path to spiritual writing that brought him to Dorothy Day, the Catholic Worker Movement and Sister Wendy Beckett; to the ethos of authorship about the lives of saints and their perspectives of the presence of God in all of us. Their humanity, partly through all the difficulties and happy accidents that gave them powerful presence in our lives, has been Ellsberg\u2019s inspiration to write, in order to &#8220;spread&#8230; these seeds of mindfulness and compassion and awareness.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Robert Ellsberg is the editor-in-chief and publisher of <a href=\"https:\/\/orbisbooks.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Orbis Books<\/a>, where he has worked for 35 years. He spent 1975-80 working with Dorothy Day at the Catholic Worker, two years as managing editor of the paper; and he has edited Day&#8217;s selected writings, diaries, letters, and other work. Robert has written and edited 25 books, including six books on saints and holiness. For over 10 years he has written a daily entry, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/giveusthisday.org\/Products\/4721\/Blessed-Among-Us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Blessed Among Us<\/a>&#8221; for &#8220;Give Us This Day&#8221; (Liturgical).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Robert&#8217;s most recent book is <em><a href=\"https:\/\/orbisbooks.com\/products\/dearest-sister-wendy-a-surprising-story-of-faith-and-friendship\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dearest Sister Wendy\u2026A Surprising Story of Faith and Friendship<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dorothy Day&#8217;s Selected Writings, edited by Robert: <a href=\"https:\/\/orbisbooks.com\/products\/dorothy-day?_pos=4&amp;_sid=e6af7dd2e&amp;_ss=r\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/orbisbooks.com\/products\/dorothy-day?_pos=4&amp;_sid=e6af7dd2e&amp;_ss=r<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Robert&#8217;s essays in America Magazine: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.americamagazine.org\/voices\/robert-ellsberg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.americamagazine.org\/voices\/robert-ellsberg<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Follow Robert on Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RobertEllsberg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/RobertEllsberg<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS<\/strong>&nbsp;is hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Produced and edited by Colin Wambsgans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BE SOCIAL:<\/strong><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Facebook:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/messyjesusbiz\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@messyjesusbiz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S<strong>UPPORT US:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>LISTEN HERE:<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Episode 58 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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