{"id":18893,"date":"2022-11-24T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-11-24T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=18893"},"modified":"2026-02-09T08:18:44","modified_gmt":"2026-02-09T14:18:44","slug":"david-dault-inclusion-by-disruption","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2022\/11\/24\/david-dault-inclusion-by-disruption\/","title":{"rendered":"David Dault: Inclusion by Disruption"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FMJB_Episode_54_David_Dault.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2022%2F11%2F24%2Fdavid-dault-inclusion-by-disruption%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p 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Their conversation explores David\u2019s path into Christianity and later Catholicism. David shares about his evolving and complex relationship with the Church, both in its beautiful messiness and resistance to change. David also talks about his desires for the Church to become more radically open to those outside the mainstream including the neurodivergent. Other topics discussed include radical discipleship as radical honesty, learning from different faiths and traditions, and how living the Gospel isn\u2019t like gym class.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>David Dault hosts the weekly radio show <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thingsnotseenradio.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Things Not Seen: Conversations about Culture and Faith<\/a> and co-hosts The <a href=\"https:\/\/francisfxpod.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Francis Effect podcast<\/a> with Fr. Daniel P. 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