{"id":17093,"date":"2022-03-24T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-03-24T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=17093"},"modified":"2026-02-26T13:32:53","modified_gmt":"2026-02-26T19:32:53","slug":"judith-valente-and-brother-paul-quenon-the-beauty-of-simply-being","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2022\/03\/24\/judith-valente-and-brother-paul-quenon-the-beauty-of-simply-being\/","title":{"rendered":"Judith Valente and Brother Paul Quenon: The Beauty of Simply Being?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>Season 5, Episode 7 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide has-media-on-the-right is-stacked-on-mobile\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"624\" height=\"603\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Brother-paul-and-Judith.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-17099 size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Brother-paul-and-Judith.jpg 624w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Brother-paul-and-Judith-150x145.jpg 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Brother-paul-and-Judith-300x290.jpg 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Brother-paul-and-Judith-380x367.jpg 380w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 624px) 100vw, 624px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">&#8220;We have more than one calling, depending on the will of God.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">&#8211; Judith Valente<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>LISTEN HERE:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FS5E7JudithValenteAndBrotherPaulQuenon.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2022%2F03%2F24%2Fjudith-valente-and-brother-paul-quenon-the-beauty-of-simply-being%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S5E7JudithValenteAndBrotherPaulQuenon.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=17093-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S5E7JudithValenteAndBrotherPaulQuenon.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"S5E7JudithValenteAndBrotherPaulQuenon.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_amazon\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Amazon Music\" rel=\"nofollow\">Amazon Music<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pandora\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Pandora\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pandora<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_iheart\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on iHeartRadio\" rel=\"nofollow\">iHeartRadio<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_jiosaavn\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on JioSaavn\" rel=\"nofollow\">JioSaavn<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_podchaser\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podchaser\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podchaser<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_gaana\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Gaana\" rel=\"nofollow\">Gaana<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pcindex\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podcast Index\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podcast Index<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_anghami\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Anghami\" rel=\"nofollow\">Anghami<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IN THIS EPISODE:<\/strong>  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with authors Judith Valente and Brother Paul Quenon about their motivations behind the book they most recently co-authored. They discuss callings, how it&#8217;s possible to have several and how each of them came to know their respective callings. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They consider what it means &#8220;to be,&#8221; and how vastly that differs from our productivity-focused culture, which Judith says she knew all too well when working as a journalist, where the idea of simply being was a foreign concept. &#8220;More, more, better, better. You gotta work all the time you&#8217;ve got to be plugged in all the time,&#8221; she explains of the mindset. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That raises the question: what then, is success?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Brother Paul weighs in, &#8220;I think success is to be authentic; to live according to your true self, which is&#8230;to be a child of God.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--1024x683.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-17101\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--1024x683.png 1024w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--150x100.png 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--768x513.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--1536x1025.png 1536w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--1200x801.png 1200w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--380x254.png 380w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--800x534.png 800w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia--1160x774.png 1160w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Judith-Br.-Paul-and-Sister-Julia-.png 2014w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Top L-R: Judith Valente, Sister Julia Walsh. Bottom: Brother Paul Quenon.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Judith, Brother Paul and Sister Julia also explore the inherent messiness of living in community, how the pandemic has served as a spiritual teacher, and how Thomas Merton influenced both of them and the way they live their spirituality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ABOUT THE GUESTS:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"185\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-185x300.jpg\" alt=\"Book cover: How to Be: a Monk and a Journalist Reflect on Living &amp; Dying, Purpose &amp; Prayer, Forgiveness &amp; Friendship\" class=\"wp-image-17104\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-185x300.jpg 185w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-93x150.jpg 93w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-768x1243.jpg 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-632x1024.jpg 632w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-949x1536.jpg 949w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-1265x2048.jpg 1265w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-1200x1943.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-380x615.jpg 380w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-800x1295.jpg 800w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover-1160x1878.jpg 1160w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/How-To-Be-Book-cover.jpg 1575w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 185px) 100vw, 185px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Brother Paul Quenon and Judith Valente are co-authors of the books: How to Be: a Monk and a Journalist Reflect on Living &amp; Dying, Purpose &amp; Prayer, Forgiveness &amp; Friendship; and The Art of Pausing: Meditations for the Overworked and Overwhelmed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Brother Paul entered the Trappist Abbey of Gethsemani in Kentucky in 1958 at the age of 17, where Thomas Merton was his novice master and spiritual director. He sleeps under the stars each night and is an avid hiker and hill climber. Br. Paul is the author of the award-winning book In Praise of the Useless Life: A Monk\u2019s Memoir&#8230;.as well as nine collections of poetry. He is also a sought-after and inspiring speaker.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Judith Valente is a two-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in journalism and is the recipient of many awards for her coverage of faith and culture for national PBS-TV\u2019s Religion &amp; Ethics NewsWeekly. A former staff writer for both The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post, she has been a contributing correspondent for Chicago Public Radio, and her articles appear in U.S. Catholic and National Catholic Reporter. Judith is the author of four previous spirituality titles, she is a lay associate of the Benedictine monastery Mount St. Scholastica, and she speaks and leads retreats on living a more contemplative life and discovering inner wisdom. You can read more about her at her website:<a href=\"https:\/\/judithvalente.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"> judithvalente.com\/<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Copies of Judith Valente&#8217;s and Brother Paul Quenon&#8217;s books may be purchased at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gethsemanifarms.org\/\">Gesthamani&nbsp;book store&nbsp;<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>CONTEMPLATIVE MOMENT is a reading from <a href=\"https:\/\/bible.usccb.org\/bible\/psalms\/46\">Psalm 46.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>BE SOCIAL:<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: @messyjesusbiz<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SUPPORT US:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Season 5, Episode 7 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh. &#8220;We have more than one calling, depending on the will of God.&#8221; &#8211; Judith Valente LISTEN HERE: IN THIS EPISODE: In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with authors Judith Valente and Brother Paul Quenon about their...","protected":false},"author":3902083,"featured_media":17099,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_kad_blocks_custom_css":"","_kad_blocks_head_custom_js":"","_kad_blocks_body_custom_js":"","_kad_blocks_footer_custom_js":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"","filesize":"","filesize_raw":"","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":"","_kad_post_transparent":"","_kad_post_title":"","_kad_post_layout":"","_kad_post_sidebar_id":"","_kad_post_content_style":"","_kad_post_vertical_padding":"","_kad_post_feature":"","_kad_post_feature_position":"","_kad_post_header":false,"_kad_post_footer":false,"_kad_post_classname":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[698755390,2178641,698755604],"tags":[698755938,7104,214,698755374,698755381,401,7816,8329,698755936,698755558,853,116,698755937,698755939],"series":[698756626],"class_list":["post-17093","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-podcast","category-prayer-and-spirituality","category-simple-living","tag-benedictine","tag-catholic","tag-christianity","tag-community","tag-contemplation","tag-faith","tag-god","tag-jesus","tag-meaning-of-success","tag-new-monasticism","tag-prayer","tag-religion","tag-trappist","tag-writers","series-messy-jesus-business"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Brother-paul-and-Judith.jpg","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/plugins\/seriously-simple-podcasting\/assets\/images\/no-album-art.png","download_link":"","player_link":"","audio_player":false,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"dark","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"stitcher":{"key":"stitcher","url":"","label":"Stitcher","class":"stitcher","icon":"stitcher.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/messy-jesus-business","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"iZOz8O98lw\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2022\/03\/24\/judith-valente-and-brother-paul-quenon-the-beauty-of-simply-being\/\">Judith Valente and Brother Paul Quenon: The Beauty of Simply Being?<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2022\/03\/24\/judith-valente-and-brother-paul-quenon-the-beauty-of-simply-being\/embed\/#?secret=iZOz8O98lw\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Judith Valente and Brother Paul Quenon: The Beauty of Simply Being?&#8221; &#8212; Messy Jesus Business\" data-secret=\"iZOz8O98lw\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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