{"id":13551,"date":"2021-07-08T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-07-08T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=13551"},"modified":"2026-02-26T13:35:48","modified_gmt":"2026-02-26T19:35:48","slug":"heidi-haverkamp-the-fertile-soil-of-solitude","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2021\/07\/08\/heidi-haverkamp-the-fertile-soil-of-solitude\/","title":{"rendered":"Heidi Haverkamp: The Fertile Soil of Solitude"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide has-media-on-the-right is-stacked-on-mobile\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13552 size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-380x253.jpg 380w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-800x533.jpg 800w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp-1160x773.jpg 1160w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/Heidi-Haverkamp.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">&#8220;I think what I&#8217;ve learned is there&#8217;s great fruitfulness in messiness&#8230;you need dirt to grow things.&#8221;<br>&#8211; Heidi Haverkamp<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Season 4, Episode 1 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FS4_E1-Heidi_Haverkamp.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2021%2F07%2F08%2Fheidi-haverkamp-the-fertile-soil-of-solitude%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S4_E1-Heidi_Haverkamp.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=13551-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S4_E1-Heidi_Haverkamp.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"S4_E1-Heidi_Haverkamp.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_amazon\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Amazon Music\" rel=\"nofollow\">Amazon Music<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pandora\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Pandora\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pandora<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_iheart\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on iHeartRadio\" rel=\"nofollow\">iHeartRadio<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_jiosaavn\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on JioSaavn\" rel=\"nofollow\">JioSaavn<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_podchaser\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podchaser\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podchaser<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_gaana\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Gaana\" rel=\"nofollow\">Gaana<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pcindex\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podcast Index\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podcast Index<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_anghami\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Anghami\" rel=\"nofollow\">Anghami<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IN THIS EPISODE:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh talks with writer and Episcopal priest Heidi Haverkamp about why being a part-time hermit is essential to her, and how it serves her in her work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Part of a healthy solitude is that you&#8217;re growing in love for other people,&#8221; she explains. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They discuss how discipleship of Jesus is meant to come from a place of freedom and joy and how that can offer clarity. They also talk discernment, and feeling called.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Pay attention to your obsessions. I think there&#8217;s something of God in what we can&#8217;t stop thinking about. Especially if it&#8217;s a good thing.&#8221; Heidi says.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And they consider how mess can actually be a good thing, resulting in fruitfulness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>ABOUT THE GUEST:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Heidi Haverkamp is a writer, spiritual director, an Episcopal priest, and a part-time hermit. For 10 years, she served in parish ministry in churches in the Chicago area. She is the author of three books: <em>Advent in Narnia, Holy Solitude, <\/em>and <em>Everyday Connections: Reflections and Practices for Year C,<\/em> due out in September. She has been featured in the media, including a recent <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2020\/11\/28\/style\/self-care\/hermits-solitude.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">article in the New York Times on solitude and the pandemic<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Heidi received a Master&#8217;s of Divinity from The University of Chicago Divinity School in 2006 and a certificate in Anglican studies from Seabury-Western Theological Seminary (now Bexley Seabury) a year later. She has worked on organic farms, in a corporate law office, as pastor of a rural congregation in New England, and at Trader Joe&#8217;s. She is married to Adam Frieberg. They live in Indianapolis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You can find and follow Heidi Haverkamp on the web:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.heidihaverkamp.net\/\">www.heidihaverkamp.net<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/HeidiHaverkamp\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/HeidiHaverkamp<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/heidihaverk\/\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/heidihaverk\/<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>CONTEMPLATIVE MOMENT features the poem: For Solitude, from page 112 of the book, <a href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.org\/books\/to-bless-the-space-between-us-a-book-of-blessings\/9780385522274\">To Bless the Space Between Us: A Book of Blessings<\/a>, by John O&#8217;Donohue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>BE SOCIAL:<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: @messyjesusbiz<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SUPPORT US:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>LISTEN HERE:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"&#8220;I think what I&#8217;ve learned is there&#8217;s great fruitfulness in messiness&#8230;you need dirt to grow things.&#8221;&#8211; Heidi Haverkamp Season 4, Episode 1 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh. 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