{"id":13002,"date":"2021-05-27T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-05-27T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=13002"},"modified":"2026-02-26T13:36:15","modified_gmt":"2026-02-26T19:36:15","slug":"padraig-o-tuama-the-language-of-lightness-darkness-and-love","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2021\/05\/27\/padraig-o-tuama-the-language-of-lightness-darkness-and-love\/","title":{"rendered":"P\u00e1draig \u00d3 Tuama: The Language of Lightness, Darkness and Love"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide is-stacked-on-mobile\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/Pa?draig-O?-Tuama-1024x683.jpeg\" alt=\"Pa?draig O?\u00a0Tuama\" class=\"wp-image-13008 size-full\"\/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">&#8220;Sometimes, language can be the easy hurdle. The actions that correspond to wisdom can be much more difficult to enact.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">-P\u00e1draig \u00d3 Tuama<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Season 3, Episode 8 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh.<\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FS3_E8-Padraig_O_Tuama.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2021%2F05%2F27%2Fpadraig-o-tuama-the-language-of-lightness-darkness-and-love%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S3_E8-Padraig_O_Tuama.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=13002-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S3_E8-Padraig_O_Tuama.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"S3_E8-Padraig_O_Tuama.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_amazon\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Amazon Music\" rel=\"nofollow\">Amazon Music<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pandora\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Pandora\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pandora<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_iheart\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on iHeartRadio\" rel=\"nofollow\">iHeartRadio<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_jiosaavn\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on JioSaavn\" rel=\"nofollow\">JioSaavn<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_podchaser\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podchaser\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podchaser<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_gaana\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Gaana\" rel=\"nofollow\">Gaana<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pcindex\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podcast Index\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podcast Index<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_anghami\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Anghami\" rel=\"nofollow\">Anghami<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IN THIS EPISODE:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh and poet, public speaker, teacher and theologian P\u00e1draig \u00d3&nbsp;Tuama explore the light, the dark, and the infinite complexities of language. They consider terms like Christian and minister, and discuss the nature of poetry as well as the essential role imagination plays in one&#8217;s spiritual life as well as conflict resolution. And they talk about the complexities of doing good and being good.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s easy to think that doing good is always good, and is always easy. But it&#8217;s not,&#8221; P\u00e1draig explains. &#8220;I think that doing good is very difficult, because you might think you&#8217;re doing good and realize afterwards, that was naive, or that was mistaken, or I was highlighting the wrong thing that wasn&#8217;t the real problem.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sister Julia and P\u00e1draig also discuss the <a href=\"https:\/\/bible.usccb.org\/bible\/mark\/7\">Syrophoenician woman in Scripture, and how Jesus learns from her.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They talk about how peacemaking and community building get messy and how taking Jesus of Nazareth seriously involves asking some thought-provoking questions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>ABOUT THE GUEST<br>Poet and theologian, P\u00e1draig \u00d3&nbsp;Tuama\u2019s work centers around themes of language, power, conflict and religion. Working fluently on the page and in public, P\u00e1draig is a poet and speaker, teacher and group worker. His latest books are:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.broadleafbooks.com\/store\/product\/9781506470528\/In-the-Shelter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">In the Shelter (2021 North America edition)<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/canterburypress.hymnsam.co.uk\/books\/9781786222565\/borders-and-belonging\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Borders and Belonging (2021)<\/a>,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u00e1draig presents <a href=\"https:\/\/onbeing.org\/series\/poetry-unbound\/\">Poetry Unbound with On Being Studios<\/a> and in late 2019 was named Theologian in Residence for On Being, innovating in bringing art and theology into public and civic life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00d3\u00a0Tuama\u2019s published work incorporates poetry (Readings from the Book of Exile [<em>longlisted for the Polari Prize 2013<\/em>]; Sorry for your Troubles), prose (In The Shelter) and theology (Daily Prayer, The Place Between). Poems featured or forthcoming in the following publications or platforms: Poetry Ireland Review, Academy of American Poets,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rte.ie\/culture\/2020\/0428\/1135346-poem-of-the-week-enjoy-your-pint-by-padraig-o-tuama\/\">Raidio Teilif\u00eds \u00c9ireann\u2019s <em>Poem of the Week<\/em><\/a><em>, <\/em>Post Road, Cream City Review, Holden Village Voice, Proximity Magazine, On Being, Dumbo Feather, Gutter, America, and Seminary Ridge Review.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>From 2014-2019 he was the leader of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.corrymeela.org\/\">Corrymeela Community<\/a>, Ireland\u2019s oldest peace and reconciliation community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00d3 Tuama has been a featured guest on&nbsp;<em>On Being with Krista Tippett<\/em>&nbsp;twice, and is a regular broadcaster on radio on topics such as Poetry, Religion in the public square, Loneliness, Conflict and Faith, LGBT inclusion, the dangers of so-called Reparative Therapy, and the value of the Arts in public life.&nbsp;He has broadcasted, recited and been interviewed countless times on RT\u00c9, BBC (Radio 4, Radios Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland) and Radio National (Australia). His work has been used in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fons.org\/library\/journal\/volume7-issue1\/article11\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Medical Journals<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.princeofwales.gov.uk\/speech\/speech-hrh-prince-wales-civic-reception-cork-ireland\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">quoted by Princes <\/a>and used in Atlases and Liturgies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u00e1draig has told a story for <a href=\"https:\/\/themoth.org\/storytellers\/p%C3%A1draig-%C3%B3tuama\">The Moth <\/a>and has extended interviews with On Being and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.abc.net.au\/radionational\/programs\/spiritofthings\/padraig-otuama\/7762118\">ABC Spirit of Things<\/a>. Together with his partner, Paul Doran, he cofounded <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tenx9.com\/\">Tenx9<\/a>, a storytelling event where nine people have up to ten minutes each to tell a true story from their lives. Begun in Belfast, this event now has satellite events in many other cities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For \u00d3&nbsp;Tuama, religion, conflict, power and poetry all circle around language, that original sacrament. In the context of public theology, he takes the received form of biblical texts and explores the civic and artistic dynamics of language, narrative and impact in these stories. He holds a BA Div validated by the Pontifical College of Maynooth, an MTh from Queen\u2019s University Belfast and is currently engaged in a PhD in Theology through Creative Practice (Uni of Glasgow) exploring poetry, Irishness and religion. In addition to these qualifications, \u00d3 Tuama has numerous professional accreditations in conflict, focusing particularly on dynamics of group conflicts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You can find P\u00e1draig \u00d3&nbsp;Tuama on the following social media channels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: @duanalla<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instagram @padraigotuama<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Contemplative Moment in this episode features P\u00e1draig \u00d3&nbsp;Tuama reading a prayer. It is a selection from <a href=\"https:\/\/canterburypress.hymnsam.co.uk\/books\/9781786222565\/borders-and-belonging\">Borders and Belonging; The book of Ruth: a story for our times<\/a>, a new book published by Canterbury Press, which he cowrote with Glenn Jordan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>BE SOCIAL:<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: @messyjesusbiz<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SUPPORT US:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>LISTEN HERE:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh and poet, public speaker, teacher and theologian P\u00e1draig \u00d3\u00a0Tuama explore the light, the dark, and the infinite complexities of language. 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