{"id":11687,"date":"2021-03-04T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-03-04T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=11687"},"modified":"2026-02-26T13:37:13","modified_gmt":"2026-02-26T19:37:13","slug":"kaya-oakes-the-importance-of-being-humble-and-vulnerable","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2021\/03\/04\/kaya-oakes-the-importance-of-being-humble-and-vulnerable\/","title":{"rendered":"Kaya Oakes: The Importance of Being Humble and Vulnerable"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide has-media-on-the-right is-stacked-on-mobile\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"960\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Kaya-Oakes-1024x960.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-11690 size-full\" 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Walsh<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>LISTEN HERE:<\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FS3_E2-Kaya_Oakes.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2021%2F03%2F04%2Fkaya-oakes-the-importance-of-being-humble-and-vulnerable%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S3_E2-Kaya_Oakes.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=11687-podcast');\" 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They also talk about the humility required when offering one&#8217;s prophetic voice through teaching and writing. And they explore the vulnerability of discipleship.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s what discipleship means to me sometimes is to be willing to say, &#8220;This is very, very personal and very important to me and it&#8217;s very vulnerable for me to talk about it,&#8221; Oakes explains.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>ABOUT THE GUEST:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kaya Oakes is the author of four books, most recently,&nbsp;&#8220;<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Nones-Are-Alright-Kaya-Oakes\/dp\/1626981574\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Nones Are Alright,<\/a>&#8220;<\/em>&nbsp;and,&nbsp;&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Radical-Reinvention-Unlikely-Return-Catholic\/dp\/1593764316\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Radical Reinvention<\/em>.<\/a>&#8221; Her fifth book,<em>&nbsp;&#8220;<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Defiant-Middle-Women-Betweens-Remake\/dp\/1506467687\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>The Defiant Middle: How Women Claim Life\u2019s In-Betweens to Remake the World<\/em>,<\/a>&#8221; is forthcoming from Broadleaf Books in November.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Her essays and journalism have appeared in many national publications. She was the co-founder of the award-winning arts and culture magazine, Kitchen Sink, and is currently on the editorial board of the ground-breaking religion website, Killing the Buddha.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Oakes has spoken on topics related to religion, writing and feminism at Universities throughout the United States. She has also spoken and led writing workshops in church basements, community centers, homeless shelters, and in senior centers. She was one of a select number of international journalists who traveled to the Rome and the Vatican in 2016 to study writing on religion in politically turbulent times.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Since 1999, Oakes has been a faculty member in the College Writing Programs at UC Berkeley, where she teaches creative nonfiction, composition, and research writing. She has also been a distinguished visiting writer in nonfiction at St. Mary\u2019s College as well as guest faculty at Bellarmine University and The Jesuit School of Theology at the Graduate Theological Union. She is also a trained spiritual director. She was born and raised in Oakland, California, where she still lives.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced and hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, and edited by Charish Badzinski.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>BE SOCIAL:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: @messyjesusbiz<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SUPPORT US:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Sister Julia Walsh and author Kaya Oakes discuss the importance of being humble and the value of vulnerability in discipleship, in this episode of Messy Jesus Business. 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