{"id":11570,"date":"2021-02-18T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-02-18T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?p=11570"},"modified":"2026-02-26T13:37:18","modified_gmt":"2026-02-26T19:37:18","slug":"lisa-deam-we-are-all-pilgrims","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2021\/02\/18\/lisa-deam-we-are-all-pilgrims\/","title":{"rendered":"Lisa Deam: We Are All Pilgrims"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide has-media-on-the-right is-stacked-on-mobile\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"801\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-801x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-11572 size-full\" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-801x1024.jpg 801w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-117x150.jpg 117w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-235x300.jpg 235w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-768x982.jpg 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-1201x1536.jpg 1201w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-1602x2048.jpg 1602w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-1200x1534.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-1568x2005.jpg 1568w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/Lisa-Deam-scaled.jpg 2002w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 801px) 100vw, 801px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">&#8220;In a real sense we are on a journey to God, we&#8217;re seeking him, but the whole time God is with us.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8211; Lisa Deam, author, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/3000-Miles-Jesus-Lisa-Deam\/dp\/1506461638\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=3000+Miles+to+Jesus%3A+Pilgrimage+as+a+Way+of+Life+for+Spiritual+Seeker&amp;qid=1613596891&amp;sr=8-1\">3000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for&nbsp;Spiritual Seekers<\/a>&#8220;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Season 3, Episode 1 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>LISTEN HERE:<\/p>\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fmessyjesusbusiness%2FS3_E1-Lisa_Deam_.mp3&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fcustomwordpresssites.com%2Fmjb%2F2021%2F02%2F18%2Flisa-deam-we-are-all-pilgrims%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S3_E1-Lisa_Deam_.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?powerpress_pinw=11570-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/content.blubrry.com\/messyjesusbusiness\/S3_E1-Lisa_Deam_.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"S3_E1-Lisa_Deam_.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_amazon\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Amazon Music\" rel=\"nofollow\">Amazon Music<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pandora\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Pandora\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pandora<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_iheart\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on iHeartRadio\" rel=\"nofollow\">iHeartRadio<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_jiosaavn\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on JioSaavn\" rel=\"nofollow\">JioSaavn<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_podchaser\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podchaser\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podchaser<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_gaana\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Gaana\" rel=\"nofollow\">Gaana<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_pcindex\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Podcast Index\" rel=\"nofollow\">Podcast Index<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_anghami\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Anghami\" rel=\"nofollow\">Anghami<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IN THIS EPISODE:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this espisode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh and Lisa Deam discuss pilgrimage as a spiritual practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;I define it as a sacred journey, or a journey to a sacred place,&#8221; says Deam. &nbsp;&#8220;I write about it because when I started getting a little more in to pilgrim&#8217;s journeys, it really reminded me about what the Bible says about how all of us are pilgrims.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They also discuss how Deam&#8217;s background in medieval art history plays a role in her faith. &#8220;We live in an information era, a research era, a knowledge era where we can learn and look something up in a matter of seconds. And I feel like a lot about past ages in history&#8211;like the medieval era&#8211;can help us recover a little bit of the mystery and grandeur of God.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In addition, Sister Julia and Deam explore the paradoxes of faith and being a contemplative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;In a real sense we are on a journey to God, we&#8217;re seeking him, but the whole time God is with us. And we couldn&#8217;t get to God without God,&#8221; Deam explains.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>ABOUT THE GUEST:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lisa Deam has a Ph.D. in medieval art history and began her career in&nbsp;academia. She later transitioned to writing and is now an author in&nbsp;spiritual formation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Her writing is geared toward helping Christians see&nbsp;how history can be a living part of their faith. Most recently, Deam is&nbsp;the author of &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/3000-Miles-Jesus-Lisa-Deam\/dp\/1506461638\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=3000+Miles+to+Jesus%3A+Pilgrimage+as+a+Way+of+Life+for+Spiritual+Seeker&amp;qid=1613596891&amp;sr=8-1\">3000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for&nbsp;Spiritual Seekers<\/a>,&#8221; a book that invites readers into the adventure of&nbsp;spiritual pilgrimage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Deam also hosts <a href=\"https:\/\/thecontemplativewriter.com\/\">The Contemplative Writer<\/a>, a website&nbsp;providing soul care for writers and people of faith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When not roaming&nbsp;the Middle Ages, Deam lives in the Charlotte, North Carolina area with her family.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>CONTEMPLATIVE MOMENT:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Our Contemplative Moment in this episode of Messy Jesus Business is from <a href=\"https:\/\/bible.usccb.org\/bible\/hebrews\/11\">Hebrews 11:1-3, 7-11<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced, hosted and edited by Sister Julia Walsh with production assistance from Charish Badzinski.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Email us at&nbsp;<a href=\"mailto:messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com\">messyjesusbusiness@gmail.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>BE SOCIAL:&nbsp;<br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness\"><br>https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/MessyJesusBusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Twitter: @messyjesusbiz<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>SUPPORT US:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/messyjesusbusiness<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Sister Julia Walsh and author Lisa Deam talk about pilgrimage as a spiritual practice and discipleship as a journey. 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