{"id":23500,"date":"2025-03-03T12:01:55","date_gmt":"2025-03-03T18:01:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/?page_id=23500"},"modified":"2025-03-03T12:04:44","modified_gmt":"2025-03-03T18:04:44","slug":"podcast-archive","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/podcast-archive\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast Archive"},"content":{"rendered":"<style>.kb-row-layout-id23500_c029aa-23 > .kt-row-column-wrap{align-content:start;}:where(.kb-row-layout-id23500_c029aa-23 > .kt-row-column-wrap) > .wp-block-kadence-column{justify-content:start;}.kb-row-layout-id23500_c029aa-23 > .kt-row-column-wrap{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);row-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);padding-top:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);padding-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr);}.kb-row-layout-id23500_c029aa-23 > .kt-row-layout-overlay{opacity:0.30;}@media all and (max-width: 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tag-franciscan tag-podcast tag-podcasting tag-sister-helen-prejean tag-sister-julia-walsh tag-vocation tag-vocation-discernment series-messy-jesus-business\"><div class=\"kb-query-item-flip-back\"><\/div>\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-image.kb-image7_f52f24-c5:not(.kb-specificity-added):not(.kb-extra-specificity-added){margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kb-image7_f52f24-c5 .kb-image-has-overlay:after{opacity:0.3;}<\/style>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image7_f52f24-c5 kb-image-is-ratio-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/12\/18\/episode-100-a-last-look-back-and-a-grand-finale\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><div class=\"kb-is-ratio-image kb-image-ratio-land32\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/IMG_6706-768x432.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"432\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-24884 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/IMG_6706-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/IMG_6706-150x84.jpg 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/IMG_6706-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/IMG_6706-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/IMG_6706-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/IMG_6706-2048x1152.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/div><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > .kt-inside-inner-col{padding-top:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);padding-right:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);padding-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);padding-left:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);}.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > 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.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/12\/18\/episode-100-a-last-look-back-and-a-grand-finale\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Episode 100: A last look back, and a grand finale<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_b54c17-fd kb-section-dir-horizontal\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 December 18, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 100 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this, our final episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with several previous guests and show producer Colin Wambsgans. 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class=\"kb-query-item-flip-back\"><\/div>\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-image.kb-image7_f52f24-c5:not(.kb-specificity-added):not(.kb-extra-specificity-added){margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kb-image7_f52f24-c5 .kb-image-has-overlay:after{opacity:0.3;}<\/style>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image7_f52f24-c5 kb-image-is-ratio-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/12\/11\/kaitlin-curtice-story-and-cyclical-spirituality\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><div class=\"kb-is-ratio-image kb-image-ratio-land32\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/kaitlin-curtice-landscape-768x512.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"512\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-24816 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/kaitlin-curtice-landscape-768x512.png 768w, 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class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal 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.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/12\/11\/kaitlin-curtice-story-and-cyclical-spirituality\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Kaitlin Curtice: story and cyclical spirituality<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_b54c17-fd kb-section-dir-horizontal\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 December 11, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 99 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Kaitlin Curtice. They explore Indigenous spirituality, the power of stories, the cyclical nature of being, expansiveness and liminality, the difference between certainty and faith, joy in art, Mother Earth, community,&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, 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.kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal kb-dynamic-list-style-basic kb-dynamic-list-alignment-left kb-dynamic-list-link-style-none\"><li class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/equity-and-justice-equity-and-justice\/\" class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item-link\">Equity and Justice<\/a><\/li><li class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item kb-dynamic-list-divider\"> | <\/li><li class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/\" class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item-link\">Podcast<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"]{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 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data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">The waiting soul gives: hope-filled resistance to tyranny\u00a0<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_b54c17-fd kb-section-dir-horizontal\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Sister Julia Walsh<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 December 4, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Note from the editor: Due to unforeseen circumstances, the Messy Jesus Business podcast and blog schedule have been switched around this month. Check back the next two weeks for our final podcast episodes, with many more blog posts to follow!&nbsp; Modern Christians often fail to discuss that the Christian Church was established during a time&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, 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.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"]{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);text-align:left;font-size:26px;line-height:1.5;font-style:normal;color:var(--global-palette3, #1A202C);}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/11\/20\/timone-davis-peace-and-paradox\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">timone davis: peace and paradox<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_b54c17-fd kb-section-dir-horizontal\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 November 20, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 98 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with timone davis. They explore naming what you see in people, the military, Christ&#8217;s peace, inner paradoxes, asking the deeper questions, and much more. Podcast:\u00a0Play in new window\u00a0|\u00a0Download Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;Email&nbsp;|&nbsp;RSS&nbsp;|&nbsp;More A transcript&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 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0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal kb-dynamic-list-style-basic kb-dynamic-list-alignment-left kb-dynamic-list-link-style-none\"><li class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/\" class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item-link\">Podcast<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"]{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);text-align:left;font-size:26px;line-height:1.5;font-style:normal;color:var(--global-palette3, #1A202C);}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] 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class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 97 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Vincent Noth, executive director of the Kinship Community Food Center in Milwaukee. They explore faith, segregation, inequality, systemic racialized poverty, mystical experience, food as entry point to community, mutuality, accompaniment,&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 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class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal kb-dynamic-list-style-basic kb-dynamic-list-alignment-left kb-dynamic-list-link-style-none\"><li class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/category\/podcast\/\" class=\"kb-dynamic-list-item-link\">Podcast<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"]{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);text-align:left;font-size:26px;line-height:1.5;font-style:normal;color:var(--global-palette3, #1A202C);}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/10\/23\/michele-dunne-ofs-kinship-and-conversion\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Michele Dunne, OFS: kinship and conversion<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column 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class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 October 23, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 96 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Michele Duane, OFS, executive director of the Franciscan Action Network (FAN). They explore secular Franciscanism, activism, the interests of government vs. the interests of gospel, Franciscan discernment, kinship, interior conversion,&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{background:#444444;}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn kb-buttons-wrap kb-btns7_760bd4-97\"><style>ul.menu .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button{width:initial;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button{color:var(--global-palette4, #2D3748);background:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-size:14px;line-height:1;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button:focus{color:var(--global-palette3, #1A202C);background:rgba(0,0,0,0);}<\/style><a class=\"kb-button kt-button button kb-btn7_017210-ab kt-btn-size-small kt-btn-width-type-auto kb-btn-global-fill  kt-btn-has-text-true kt-btn-has-svg-true  wp-block-kadence-singlebtn\" href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/10\/23\/michele-dunne-ofs-kinship-and-conversion\/\"><span class=\"kt-btn-inner-text\">Read More<\/span><span class=\"kb-svg-icon-wrap kb-svg-icon-fe_arrowRight kt-btn-icon-side-right\"><svg viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\"  fill=\"none\" stroke=\"currentColor\" stroke-width=\"2\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"  aria-hidden=\"true\"><line x1=\"5\" y1=\"12\" x2=\"19\" y2=\"12\"\/><polyline points=\"12 5 19 12 12 19\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<\/li><li class=\"kb-query-item kb-query-block-post post-24507 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-podcast tag-american-politics tag-cancel-culture tag-conversion tag-family tag-francis tag-gay-catholics tag-ideology tag-love tag-mercy tag-political-engagement tag-politics tag-pope-francis tag-ritual tag-sr-julia-walsh tag-storytelling tag-universal-spirituality tag-writing series-messy-jesus-business\"><div class=\"kb-query-item-flip-back\"><\/div>\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-image.kb-image7_f52f24-c5:not(.kb-specificity-added):not(.kb-extra-specificity-added){margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kb-image7_f52f24-c5 .kb-image-has-overlay:after{opacity:0.3;}<\/style>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image7_f52f24-c5 kb-image-is-ratio-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/10\/09\/matthew-sitman-ideology-and-mercy\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><div class=\"kb-is-ratio-image kb-image-ratio-land32\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-landscape-768x471.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"471\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-24511 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-landscape-768x471.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/matthew-sitman-landscape-150x92.png 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class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal 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mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/10\/09\/matthew-sitman-ideology-and-mercy\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Matthew Sitman: Ideology and Mercy<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > 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.kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column 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class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 October 9, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 95 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with author and podcast host Matthew Sitman. They explore conversion to Catholicism, the breadth and universality of the Catholic Church, humility and openness, cancel culture, Pope Francis, mercy, ideology, relationships, being&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{background:#444444;}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn kb-buttons-wrap kb-btns7_760bd4-97\"><style>ul.menu .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button{width:initial;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button{color:var(--global-palette4, #2D3748);background:rgba(0,0,0,0);font-size:14px;line-height:1;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn .kb-btn7_017210-ab.kb-button:focus{color:var(--global-palette3, #1A202C);background:rgba(0,0,0,0);}<\/style><a class=\"kb-button kt-button button kb-btn7_017210-ab kt-btn-size-small kt-btn-width-type-auto kb-btn-global-fill  kt-btn-has-text-true kt-btn-has-svg-true  wp-block-kadence-singlebtn\" href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/10\/09\/matthew-sitman-ideology-and-mercy\/\"><span class=\"kt-btn-inner-text\">Read More<\/span><span class=\"kb-svg-icon-wrap kb-svg-icon-fe_arrowRight kt-btn-icon-side-right\"><svg viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\"  fill=\"none\" stroke=\"currentColor\" stroke-width=\"2\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"  aria-hidden=\"true\"><line x1=\"5\" y1=\"12\" x2=\"19\" y2=\"12\"\/><polyline points=\"12 5 19 12 12 19\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n<\/li><li class=\"kb-query-item kb-query-block-post post-24431 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-podcast tag-black-liturgies tag-collective-memory tag-discernment tag-embodiment tag-interiority tag-letter-writing tag-memory tag-meritocracy tag-messiness tag-resistance tag-sr-julia-walsh tag-storytelling tag-writing series-messy-jesus-business\"><div class=\"kb-query-item-flip-back\"><\/div>\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-image.kb-image7_f52f24-c5:not(.kb-specificity-added):not(.kb-extra-specificity-added){margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kb-image7_f52f24-c5 .kb-image-has-overlay:after{opacity:0.3;}<\/style>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image7_f52f24-c5 kb-image-is-ratio-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/09\/25\/cole-arthur-riley-embodiment-and-memory\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><div class=\"kb-is-ratio-image kb-image-ratio-land32\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley-1-e1758737759970-768x482.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"482\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-24444 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/cole-arthur-riley-1-e1758737759970-768x482.png 768w, 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1.5rem);flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist 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mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/09\/25\/cole-arthur-riley-embodiment-and-memory\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Cole Arthur Riley: embodiment and memory<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column 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class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 September 25, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 94 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with author and poet Cole Arthur Riley. They explore embodiment, resisting meritocracy, story, collective memory, letter writing, resistance, the tension between practice and belief, interiority, and much more. Podcast:\u00a0Play in new&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{background:#444444;}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn kb-buttons-wrap kb-btns7_760bd4-97\"><style>ul.menu 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class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image7_f52f24-c5 kb-image-is-ratio-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/05\/08\/mary-kay-mcdermott-the-spirit-and-song-and-dance\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><div class=\"kb-is-ratio-image kb-image-ratio-land32\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/MK-McDermott-landscape-768x576.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"576\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-23796 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/MK-McDermott-landscape-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/MK-McDermott-landscape-150x113.png 150w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/MK-McDermott-landscape-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/MK-McDermott-landscape-1024x768.png 1024w, 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.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"]{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);text-align:left;font-size:26px;line-height:1.5;font-style:normal;color:var(--global-palette3, #1A202C);}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/05\/08\/mary-kay-mcdermott-the-spirit-and-song-and-dance\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Mary Kay McDermott: The Spirit and Song and Dance<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > 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.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 May 8, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 93 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. Thanks for listening to Messy Jesus Business! We&#8217;re taking our summer break after this episode. Look for new interviews in your podcast feed starting in late September 2025. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Mary Kay&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{background:#444444;}<\/style>\n<div 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class=\"kb-query-item-flip-back\"><\/div>\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-image.kb-image7_f52f24-c5:not(.kb-specificity-added):not(.kb-extra-specificity-added){margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kb-image7_f52f24-c5 .kb-image-has-overlay:after{opacity:0.3;}<\/style>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image7_f52f24-c5 kb-image-is-ratio-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/04\/24\/sr-dr-chero-chuma-discomfort-and-radical-hospitality\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><div class=\"kb-is-ratio-image kb-image-ratio-land32\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/chero-chuma-landscape-768x528.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"528\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-23759 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/chero-chuma-landscape-768x528.png 768w, 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class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal 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mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/04\/24\/sr-dr-chero-chuma-discomfort-and-radical-hospitality\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Sr. Dr. Chero Chuma: Discomfort and Radical Hospitality<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column 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class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 April 24, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 92 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Sr. Dr. Chero Chuma about privilege, racism, surrender, discomfort, mental health and homelessness, human dignity, radical hospitality, burnout, therapy, and messiness. Podcast:\u00a0Play in new window\u00a0|\u00a0Download Subscribe:&nbsp;&nbsp;Email&nbsp;|&nbsp;RSS&nbsp;|&nbsp;More A transcript of the&#8230;<\/div>\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kb-btns7_760bd4-97{gap:var(--global-kb-gap-xs, 0.5rem );justify-content:flex-start;align-items:center;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-button{font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0{margin-right:5px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button{color:#555555;border-color:#555555;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:focus{color:#ffffff;border-color:#444444;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button::before{display:none;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 .kt-button:hover, .wp-block-kadence-advancedbtn.kt-btns7_760bd4-97 .kt-btn-wrap-0 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class=\"kb-query-item-flip-back\"><\/div>\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-image.kb-image7_f52f24-c5:not(.kb-specificity-added):not(.kb-extra-specificity-added){margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kb-image7_f52f24-c5 .kb-image-has-overlay:after{opacity:0.3;}<\/style>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-kadence-image kb-image7_f52f24-c5 kb-image-is-ratio-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/04\/10\/michael-poffenberger-contemplation-and-transformation\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-image-link\"><div class=\"kb-is-ratio-image kb-image-ratio-land32\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-landscape-768x511.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"768\" height=\"511\" class=\"kb-img wp-image-23713 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-landscape-768x511.png 768w, https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/mpoff-landscape-150x100.png 150w, 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.kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > .kt-inside-inner-col{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-sm, 1rem);}.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;}.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > .kt-inside-inner-col > .aligncenter{width:100%;}.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce{position:relative;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce > .kt-inside-inner-col{padding-top:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);padding-right:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);padding-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);padding-left:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal 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mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2025\/04\/10\/michael-poffenberger-contemplation-and-transformation\/\" class=\"kb-advanced-heading-link kt-adv-heading-link7_4b7094-b5\"><h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_4b7094-b5\">Michael Poffenberger: Contemplation and Transformation<\/h2><\/a>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{display:flex;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{row-gap:4px;column-gap:4px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd{position:relative;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd, .kt-inside-inner-col > .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd:not(.specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;align-items:center;}}@media all and (min-width: 768px) and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:row;flex-wrap:wrap;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > *, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-image, .kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > figure.wp-block-kadence-image{margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column7_b54c17-fd > .kt-inside-inner-col > .kb-image-is-ratio-size{flex-grow:1;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column 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class=\"kt-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_7ec1bb-00\">By Colin Wambsgans<\/span>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"]{display:block;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-sm, 0.9rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<span class=\"kt-adv-heading7_10d499-49 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading7_10d499-49\">\u2022 April 10, 2025<\/span>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml.kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1.kb-dynamic-html:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);}<\/style><div class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamichtml kb-dynamic-html kb-dynamic-html-id-7_5ed3eb-b1\">Episode 91 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh. 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class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column7_e1ab60-ce\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list:not(.added-for-specificity){margin-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-xxs, 0.5rem);}.kb-dynamic-list.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item{color:var(--global-palette1, #3182CE);font-size:12px;font-weight:bold;text-transform:uppercase;}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover, .kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 .kb-dynamic-list-item a:hover{color:var(--global-palette2, #2B6CB0);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item{background:var(--global-palette7, #EDF2F7);}.kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04.kb-dynamic-list-style-pill .kb-dynamic-list-item:hover{background:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}<\/style><ul class=\"wp-block-kadence-dynamiclist kb-dynamic-list kb-dynamic-list-id-7_c4e645-04 kb-dynamic-list-layout-horizontal 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(We had some issues with Elena&#8217;s microphone during recording, our apologies! -Colin) In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh, FSPA talks with Elena Segura about Evangelicalism, conversion, social justice, the radicalness of Mass, immigration reform, silence, and more. 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