{"id":12182,"date":"2021-04-10T17:22:16","date_gmt":"2021-04-10T22:22:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/messyjb.wpengine.com\/?page_id=12013"},"modified":"2026-02-27T15:51:13","modified_gmt":"2026-02-27T21:51:13","slug":"catholic-podcast","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast"},"content":{"rendered":"<style>.kb-row-layout-wrap.wp-block-kadence-rowlayout.kb-row-layout-id12182_584db1-26{margin-top:0px;}.kb-row-layout-id12182_584db1-26 > .kt-row-column-wrap{align-content:start;}:where(.kb-row-layout-id12182_584db1-26 > .kt-row-column-wrap) > .wp-block-kadence-column{justify-content:start;}.kb-row-layout-id12182_584db1-26 > .kt-row-column-wrap{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);row-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);max-width:var( --global-content-width, 1290px 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.kadence-column12182_97ad91-8d{align-self:flex-start;}.kt-inner-column-height-full:not(.kt-has-1-columns) > .wp-block-kadence-column.kadence-column12182_97ad91-8d{align-self:auto;}.kt-inner-column-height-full:not(.kt-has-1-columns) > .wp-block-kadence-column.kadence-column12182_97ad91-8d > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:flex-start;}.kadence-column12182_97ad91-8d > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:flex-start;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column12182_97ad91-8d kb-section-dir-vertical inner-column-2\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\"><style>.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90\"]{padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-sm, 1.5rem);margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;font-size:var(--global-kb-font-size-xxl, 4rem);font-style:normal;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90 mark.kt-highlight, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90\"] mark.kt-highlight{font-style:normal;color:#f76a0c;-webkit-box-decoration-break:clone;box-decoration-break:clone;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;}.wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90 img.kb-inline-image, .wp-block-kadence-advancedheading.kt-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90[data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90\"] img.kb-inline-image{width:150px;vertical-align:baseline;}<\/style>\n<h2 class=\"kt-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90 wp-block-kadence-advancedheading has-theme-palette-9-color has-text-color\" data-kb-block=\"kb-adv-heading12182_9b4a43-90\"><strong>Messy Jesus Business Podcast: Exploring radical discipleship<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-theme-palette-9-color has-text-color\">Hosted by Sister Julia Walsh, Messy Jesus Business Podcast explores the meaning of radical discipleship of Jesus Christ. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-theme-palette-9-color has-text-color\">Listen and <a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/catholic-podcast\/subscribe-to-podcast\/\">subscribe<\/a> to hear true vocation stories, reflections on service, social justice, contemplation and the mess that comes with living the Gospel.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-theme-palette-9-color has-text-color\"><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/about-sister-julia\/\">Sister Julia<\/a>, interviews faith leaders, change makers, authors, activists and visionaries and offers each an opportunity to share their own experiences and perspectives of what it means to live the Gospel\u2013 Messy Jesus Business\u2013 and be a Christian disciple today.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column12182_94a872-3a > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column12182_94a872-3a > 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.kt-row-column-wrap{grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr);}}<\/style><div class=\"kb-row-layout-wrap kb-row-layout-id12182_9054ef-27 alignnone wp-block-kadence-rowlayout\"><div class=\"kt-row-column-wrap kt-has-2-columns kt-row-layout-equal kt-tab-layout-inherit kt-mobile-layout-row kt-row-valign-middle kb-theme-content-width\">\n<style>.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col{padding-top:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);padding-right:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);padding-bottom:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);padding-left:var(--global-kb-spacing-md, 2rem);}.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:20px;border-top-right-radius:20px;border-bottom-right-radius:20px;border-bottom-left-radius:20px;}.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-sm, 1rem);}.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;}.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col > .aligncenter{width:100%;}.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col{background-color:var(--global-palette8, #F7FAFC);}.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column12182_33d131-48{position:relative;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column12182_33d131-48 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column12182_33d131-48\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"check-out-our-catholic-podcast\">Guests have included:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2022\/02\/24\/sister-helen-prejean-legalized-vengeance-and-waking-up-to-justice\/\">Sister Helen Prejean<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2020\/11\/05\/father-james-martin-prayer-and-polarities\/\">Father James Martin<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2022\/11\/10\/carmen-acevedo-butcher-healed-by-translation\/\">Carmen Acevedo Butcher<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2023\/01\/05\/sister-teresa-maya-building-a-common-home\/\">Sister Ter\u00e9 Maya<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2023\/02\/23\/robert-ellsberg-saints-and-stories\/\">Robert Ellsberg<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2021\/05\/27\/padraig-o-tuama-the-language-of-lightness-darkness-and-love\/\">P\u00e1draig \u00d3 Tuama<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/customwordpresssites.com\/mjb\/2020\/12\/03\/shane-claiborne-faith-as-fuel-for-world-change\/\">Shane Claiborne<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<style>.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > .kt-inside-inner-col{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-sm, 1rem);}.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;}.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > .kt-inside-inner-col > .aligncenter{width:100%;}.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19{position:relative;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column12182_1ffcc9-19 > 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